March 28th, 2013 IRC Meeting - Revision history

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 * srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
 * jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
 * steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
 * js0000 - john saylor
 * Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA
 Observers:
 * passstab - PA
 * ageis
 * Dionysus
 * bsod
 * dan_
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 ==== Democracy/IT ====
-* as of last night, our wiki should be spam-free, or pretty darn close to spam free
+* Looking to move wiki over to new hosting service.  New site setup, waiting for one fix.
-==== Welcoming ====
+=== Survey ===
-=== Survey ===
+Interesting result.  See the [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing survey results].
 === Conference ===
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 ==== Space ====
-Haven't heard back from all places yet.  Will put out a flier with date and location vague.
+[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing Conference site info] is available.  Looking like Democracy Center or Community Church, but there may be one more site to consider.
 === Legislation ===
-Started a review of [http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/188/Senate/S796 An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information], but since it consisted only of the changes and not what is being changed, it proved to be more difficult to tackle it in a half an hour.
+Possible to get the MGL and put it into Github.
 == Meeting Minutes ==
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 [12:47] <+js0000> sorry i missed most of meeting ...
 [12:47] <@jokeefe> on the conference

Jokeefe at 16:47, 28 March 2013

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			[12:04] <@jokeefe> Agenda at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
			[12:05] <@jokeefe> starting ids - James O'Keefe, Somerville
			[12:08] <@srevilak> Steve Revilak, Arlington
			[12:08] <@Shidash> M. C. McGrath, Boston
			[12:09] <+steverudy> Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
			[12:13] <@jokeefe> Meetup Review - Lucia and I passed out fliers for the conference. Sparsely attended lunch. Had to miss the "Patents are good" talk due to family. Got to boo the job of a patent examiner on stage at the nVidia demo/talk
			[12:13] <@jokeefe> sorry that was for pax
			[12:13] <@jokeefe> How was LibrePlanet?
			[12:13] <@srevilak> was good
			[12:14] <@srevilak> got to give a 5 min talk to 25 people
			[12:14] <@srevilak> "Hi we're here, here's what we're about. Wanna run for office?"
			[12:14] <@jokeefe> nice
			[12:15] <@srevilak> Two good talks. Once from Wendy seltzer of berkman center on internet and copyright
			[12:15] <@srevilak> another from sunlight foundation, civx on civic hacking
			[12:15] <@jokeefe> cool, any of the talks up on video? haven't seen them on the site.
			[12:16] <@srevilak> not yet, but I think intention is to get them up eventually
			[12:16] <@srevilak> sadly, mine wasn't recorded.
			[12:17] <@jokeefe> dang
			[12:19] <@jokeefe> Committee reports, next
			[12:19] <+feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: @asher_wolf yay!!! sick kids can be a very scary thing. glad to know he is better. - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/317309479916032001
			[12:20] <@jokeefe> Democracy - srevilak cleaned the wiki of spam, new website nearly done, been adding blog posts in both for now.
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			[12:21] <@srevilak> More democracy - I've done a test load of wiki into new hosting provider's infrastructure. Worked out. Just need to do it for real.
			[12:24] <@jokeefe> cool
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			[12:25] <@jokeefe> So, survey. It is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE#gid=0
			[12:25] <@jokeefe> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest item for the change the voting age group of questions.
			[12:25] <@jokeefe> 43%
			[12:26] <@jokeefe> for the others is was 0% or 5%. About two had 14%.
			[12:27] <@jokeefe> other than that it struck me as techno-libertarian-socialists.
			[12:27] <@jokeefe> 76% - Open culture eliminates monopoly
			[12:27] <@jokeefe> 81% - we should have a local focus
			[12:28] <@jokeefe> 81% - reform democracy
			[12:29] <@jokeefe> 0% - that our policy should emphasize terrorism
			[12:29] <+davidd> 17:25\|<jokeefe:#masspirates> Surprisingly the vote for no policy was the largest
			[12:29] <+davidd> i feel a bit of pride
			[12:29] <+davidd> i suggested the "no policy" option to ...beard
			[12:30] <@jokeefe> good that you did.
			[12:30] <+davidd> mildbeard
			[12:30] <+davidd> that was his nick
			[12:31] <+davidd> i like what you guys are doing, keep it up
			[12:31] <@jokeefe> Kind of surprised that eliminating medical patents was a bit lower than single payer, but we didn't mail to just pirates, but anyone we had contact with.
			[12:32] <+davidd> was that a question where multiple ticks were advised?
			[12:32] <@jokeefe> yes, it was choose all that apply
			[12:32] <@jokeefe> clearly though, we need to move these to web and specify a time limit. one survey just came in this week.
			[12:33] <+davidd> what is the estimated responserate?
			[12:33] <@jokeefe> 21 of ~160+ IIRC.
			[12:34] <@jokeefe> though we had a number of bounces
			[12:35] <+davidd> so each tick is abuot 5% votes
			[12:37] <@jokeefe> about
			[12:38] <@jokeefe> anyone up for writing a blog post with the results?
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			[12:41] <+davidd> i suggest you make a report in pdf and at least send it to the people that returned the form
			[12:44] <@jokeefe> moving on - conference
			[12:44] <@jokeefe> info at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing
			[12:44] <@jokeefe> Sadly the nonprofit center doesn't work with 527s, so it is out.
			[12:45] <@jokeefe> They suggested another site spacewithasoul.org so I emailed them.
			[12:46] <@jokeefe> Baring a favorable report from them, looks like we are left with the Community Church or the Democracy Center
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			[12:46] <@jokeefe> hi js0000
			[12:46] <+js0000> hey
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			[12:47] <@jokeefe> agenda etc at http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_28th,_2013_IRC_Meeting
			[12:47] <+js0000> sorry i missed most of meeting ...
			[12:47] <@jokeefe> on the conference

Jokeefe at 16:44, 28 March 2013

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	== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==		== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

	* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing\|Survey results]		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing Survey results]
	* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing\|Conference site info]		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing Conference site info]

	== Participants ==		== Participants ==

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	* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing\|Survey results]		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing\|Survey results]
	* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing\|Conference site info}		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing\|Conference site info]

	== Participants ==		== Participants ==

Jokeefe at 16:42, 28 March 2013

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	== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==		== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

	~~Survey results -~~ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing\|Survey results]
	~~Conference site info -~~ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing		* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing\|Conference site info}

	== Participants ==		== Participants ==

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== Agenda ==

# Meetup Review
# Committee Reports
# Survey
# Conference
## Space
# Legislation

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

Survey results - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdG9WRG9mOC15Z2lIUS1ZcTdVck84SkE&usp=sharing
Conference site info - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPs3eiAOk5mdDlqRm90UWhRUUpPY1E4cC1icUU0a3c&usp=sharing

== Participants ==

* srevilak - Steve Revilak, Arlington
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* steverudy - Steve Rudolfi, Watertown, MA
* js0000 - john saylor
* Shidash - M. C. McGrath, Boston, MA

Observers:

* passstab - PA
* ageis
* aurelien
* Dionysus
* OurAnonTimes
* zby_home
* bsod
* dan_
* cmal
* illunatic
* Mozart
* AdVATAR

== Summary ==

=== Meetup Review ===

=== Committee Reports ===

==== Democracy/IT ====

* as of last night, our wiki should be spam-free, or pretty darn close to spam free
* mayfirst (hosting provider we're moving too) has a nice canned mediawiki setup, but it's a slightly older version
* plan is to export remaining pages (about 135 of them), and import into a new mediawiki instance
* hopefully we can use mysqldump to migrate users accounts, but that needs to be tested
* we do wiki migration when Democracy committee next meets
* set up new masspirates web site last sat, and working on mailing list migration
* new blog at masspiratesweb.mayfirst.org
* 3dclay sent new image design, sent him comments, waiting on final version
* need more stock images, since this new theme is more image intensive

==== Welcoming ====

* posted a request for interns
* found a site for an evening meetup

=== Survey ===

=== Conference ===

==== Space ====

Haven't heard back from all places yet. Will put out a flier with date and location vague.

==== Topics & Speakers ====

A talk on using whatever GitLaw like platform we adopt would be good.

==== Logistics ====

js0000 said he would help with the conference wifi.

=== Legislation ===

Started a review of [http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/188/Senate/S796 An Act updating privacy protections for personal electronic information], but since it consisted only of the changes and not what is being changed, it proved to be more difficult to tackle it in a half an hour.

Discussion ensued about what tools we could use to track such diffs. They included:

* Setting up a [https://github.com/|Github] account since they are free for public items.
* Setting up a git server on our new hosting service
* Using [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gitosis|Gitosis]
* Using [http://www.generalwill.org/|General Will], which was done by some Occupy Boston folks

Some tools we found:

* https://github.com/morrissinger/ma-laws
* https://github.com/sethwoodworth/mass-legis-boston-public

For inspiration is this blog post: [https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/|GitLaw: GitHub for Laws and Legal Documents - a Tourniquet for American Liberty]

=== Other Ideas ===

We could use some kind of listing of current endeavors and maybe specific things that need volunteers. jokeefe agreed to put one up on the wiki.

== Meeting Minutes ==

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