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	David Hardwick suggested that we be the party of open, namely:		David Hardwick suggested that we be the party of open, namely:

	* Open Government - increased government transparency		* Open Government - increased government transparency
	* Open Culture - limited copyrights & more sharing		* Open Culture - limited copyrights & more sharing
	* Open Innovation - no patents		* Open Innovation - no patents

	A few unresolved questions:		A few unresolved questions:

	* How to make increased personal privacy open?		* How to make increased personal privacy open?
	* How to make reining in corporations open?		* How to make reining in corporations open?
	* Is Open Government or Open Democracy more true to our ideals and objectives?		* Is Open Government or Open Democracy more true to our ideals and objectives?

	Erik noted:		Erik noted:
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	* erixoltan - Erik Zoltan, Framingham		* erixoltan - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
	* wingedearth - Andrew A. Anissi, Jamaica Plain		* wingedearth - Andrew A. Anissi, Jamaica Plain
	* politux		* politux - registered Pirate?

	== Summary ==		== Summary ==
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	4. Public policy questions to put on the Nov. 2012 ballot? - Moved to next meeting		4. Public policy questions to put on the Nov. 2012 ballot? - Moved to next meeting

	5. Planned events:		5. Planned/Possible events:

	o Get JP on the ballot		* Get JP on the ballot
	o March 29th - Ignite 9, MIT?		* March 29th - Ignite 9, MIT?
	o April 4th - Together Boston panel on patents		* April 4th - Together Boston panel on patents
	o April 7th - Together Boston Tabling - Lauren & others		* April 7th - Together Boston Tabling - Lauren & others
	o April 7/8th - BarCamp, MIT?		* April 7/8th - BarCamp, MIT?
	o April 6-8th - PaxEast, Boston Convention Center?		* April 6-8th - PaxEast, Boston Convention Center?
	o April 6-8th - AnimeBoston, Hynes Convention center?		* April 6-8th - AnimeBoston, Hynes Convention center?
	o April ? - Extravaganja		* April ? - Extravaganja
	o May 12th: Film Festival		* May 12th: Film Festival
	o June: Boston Pride		* June: Boston Pride
	o July		* July
	o Art Beat		* Art Beat
	o Pirate Picnic?		* Pirate Picnic?
	o August Mini conference		* August Mini conference?
	o September: Freedom Rally		* September: Freedom Rally
	o Oct-Dec: Local Issues conference		* Oct-Dec: Local Issues conference

	== Meeting Minutes ==		== Meeting Minutes ==
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	[13:14] <[bsod]> the on demand sucks tho		[13:14] <[bsod]> the on demand sucks tho
	[13:14] <jokeefe> it always annoys me when I see ten wifi nets around my house and know that we aren't sharing		[13:14] <jokeefe> it always annoys me when I see ten wifi nets around my house and know that we aren't sharing
			[13:14] <[bsod]> mines open usually, i get plausable deniability that way
			[13:15] <SplendidSpoon> lol
			[13:15] <SplendidSpoon> mine has a hidden SSID
			[13:15] <[bsod]> slow old router tho, seems to squeeze it around 1mbps
			[13:16] <[bsod]> and atleast 6 computers that i know of using it
			[13:16] <SplendidSpoon> i gots fios the fastest package
			[13:16] <SplendidSpoon> Id do a speed test and brag but im at work
			[13:16] <[bsod]> my upstream leaves much to be desired
			[13:17] <jokeefe> I have to get lunch. Talk with you all later.
			[13:17] <[bsod]> cya
			[13:18] <erixoltan> OK adios all.
			[13:18] <SplendidSpoon> bye bye

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	3. The Party of Open?		3. The Party of Open?

			Lots of discussion on this topic. It works well with being anti-monopoly and pro-person. Jamie will put up a blog post to solicit more comments.

	4. Public policy questions to put on the Nov. 2012 ballot? - Moved to next meeting		4. Public policy questions to put on the Nov. 2012 ballot? - Moved to next meeting
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	5. Planned events:		5. Planned events:

	o Get JP on the ballot		o Get JP on the ballot
	o March 29th - Ignite 9, MIT?		o March 29th - Ignite 9, MIT?
	o April 4th - Together Boston panel on patents		o April 4th - Together Boston panel on patents
	o April 7th - Together Boston Tabling - Lauren & others		o April 7th - Together Boston Tabling - Lauren & others
	o April 7/8th - BarCamp, MIT?		o April 7/8th - BarCamp, MIT?
	o April 6-8th - PaxEast, Boston Convention Center?		o April 6-8th - PaxEast, Boston Convention Center?
	o April 6-8th - AnimeBoston, Hynes Convention center?		o April 6-8th - AnimeBoston, Hynes Convention center?
	o April ? - Extravaganja		o April ? - Extravaganja
	o May 12th: Film Festival		o May 12th: Film Festival
	o June: Boston Pride		o June: Boston Pride
	o July		o July
	o Art Beat		o Art Beat
	o Pirate Picnic?		o Pirate Picnic?
	o August Mini conference		o August Mini conference
	o September: Freedom Rally		o September: Freedom Rally
	o Oct-Dec: Local Issues conference		o Oct-Dec: Local Issues conference

	== Meeting Minutes ==		== Meeting Minutes ==
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	[13:08] <politux> rss is better I think		[13:08] <politux> rss is better I think
	[13:08] <[bsod]> my twitter is just spitting out the rss feeds, mostly unattended		[13:08] <[bsod]> my twitter is just spitting out the rss feeds, mostly unattended
			[13:09] <[bsod]> i drifted off topic again didnt i
			[13:09] <jokeefe> looks like we need to think more about our "brand"
			[13:09] <jokeefe> Post the question on the blog and open it up for discussion?
			[13:09] <jokeefe> I like being open, even with opponents
			[13:10] <[bsod]> yes do that
			[13:10] == politux [~politux@c-24-128-152-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
			[13:11] <[bsod]> isps acting as copyright cops
			[13:11] <jokeefe> I am going to put "4. Public policy questions to put on the Nov. 2012 ballot?" on the agenda for next month since it isn't pressing
			[13:11] <jokeefe> bsod, ugh
			[13:11] <[bsod]> i know right
			[13:11] <jokeefe> 3 strikes is coming here
			[13:11] <[bsod]> comcast is both an isp and a content provider
			[13:12] <jokeefe> municipal isps
			[13:12] <[bsod]> i have a small local isp that the town of shrewsbury made themselves, so they could monopolize the town and make a ton of money
			[13:13] <[bsod]> they arent playing data caps or any of that stuff on me yet
			[13:13] <jokeefe> have they put up wifi?
			[13:13] <[bsod]> prices are.. eh
			[13:13] <[bsod]> no
			[13:13] <[bsod]> speeds are... eh
			[13:13] <[bsod]> lol
			[13:14] <[bsod]> the on demand sucks tho
			[13:14] <jokeefe> it always annoys me when I see ten wifi nets around my house and know that we aren't sharing

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 * erixoltan - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
 * wingedearth - Andrew A. Anissi, Jamaica Plain
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 [13:03] <[bsod]> they say one of the victums of the internet is local reporting
 [13:04] <SplendidSpoon> Hmmm never thought of that but it makes sense actually

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 .  The Party of Open?
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 [12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Nothing particular for us, just about branding and culture in general and how to appeal to masses and stuff. I dont remember exactly anything good :(
 [12:56] <[bsod]> the party of internet freedoms and open governments

Jokeefe at 16:56, 20 March 2012

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	[12:43] <jokeefe> So a troika/triad/triangle ...		[12:43] <jokeefe> So a troika/triad/triangle ...
	[12:43] <[bsod]> until you go to walmart		[12:43] <[bsod]> until you go to walmart
			[12:44] <jokeefe> I don't expect us to decide now, but I want to gather thoughts
			[12:44] <SplendidSpoon> I like being anti-monopoly
			[12:44] <erixoltan> I do think we need to boil it down into very simple terms, to avoid confusing people.
			[12:44] <[bsod]> yea, people always cheat in that game
			[12:45] <jokeefe> tangent: Is there a board game where you are supposed to cheat?
			[12:45] <jokeefe> Perhaps, Wall St. the game?
			[12:45] <erixoltan> Well, there's double bughouse...
			[12:46] <[bsod]> always keep things simple
			[12:46] <jokeefe> simple, not simplistic
			[12:46] <[bsod]> right
			[12:46] <[bsod]> simpliest terms
			[12:47] <[bsod]> so, next issue?
			[12:48] <jokeefe> open, human, anti-monopoly?
			[12:48] <erixoltan> polyopoly??...
			[12:48] <[bsod]> i mean i watched that show big love, seemed alright
			[12:48] <[bsod]> (kidding)
			[12:49] <erixoltan> lmao
			[12:49] <jokeefe> there is a parrot joke in there, but I won't bring it up
			[12:49] <[bsod]> heh
			[12:50] <[bsod]> i have a friend who is a registered mass pirate party member, who is always on irc and never thinks to join here
			[12:51] <jokeefe> invite him
			[12:51] <[bsod]> just did
			[12:51] <jokeefe> kewl
			[12:51] == politux [~politux@c-24-128-152-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #masspirates
			[12:51] <[bsod]> there he is
			[12:51] <jokeefe> hi politux
			[12:51] <[bsod]> hello politux
			[12:51] <politux> hi guys
			[12:52] <[bsod]> ya, so what were we talking about
			[12:52] <jokeefe> agenda here http://masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=March_20th,_2012_IRC_Meeting
			[12:52] <jokeefe> on item 3 The Party of Open?
			[12:52] <jokeefe> thinking about simple branding of ourselves
			[12:52] <[bsod]> i like free speech as a main issue
			[12:53] <jokeefe> how do we explain what we are for in as few words as possible
			[12:53] <[bsod]> and it has to be catchy
			[12:53] <jokeefe> aye
			[12:53] <jokeefe> free speech is good
			[12:54] <SplendidSpoon> I like the party of open, just not the OPEN act
			[12:54] <erixoltan> Republicans say that unlimited spending on campaign advertising is a free speech issue.
			[12:54] <SplendidSpoon> Damn I had a really good convo with David House yesterday about branding et
			[12:54] <[bsod]> yea, and that tobacco ruling lately
			[12:54] <politux> corporations don't equal people and money shouldn't equal speech
			[12:54] <SplendidSpoon> Wish he was involved with Pirate Party more that guys a genius
			[12:54] <jokeefe> politux +1
			[12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Indeed
			[12:55] <erixoltan> yeah
			[12:55] <SplendidSpoon> I also like being sort of a party of new ideas
			[12:55] <jokeefe> so what did David suggest?
			[12:55] <[bsod]> meanwhile, theres a ton of things you cant say
			[12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Not tied to old, tired dogma
			[12:55] <SplendidSpoon> Nothing particular for us, just about branding and culture in general and how to appeal to masses and stuff. I dont remember exactly anything good :(
			[12:56] <[bsod]> the party of internet freedoms and open governments

Jokeefe at 16:44, 20 March 2012

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	[12:33] <erixoltan> OK will do. Thanks.		[12:33] <erixoltan> OK will do. Thanks.
	[12:33] <jokeefe> what is the capsule summary of the meeting?		[12:33] <jokeefe> what is the capsule summary of the meeting?
			[12:34] <erixoltan> They are having web site issues. They are working on a piratenpad document summarizing the agenda and are in the early stages of making progress towards what is the US Pirate Party...
			[12:35] <jokeefe> always an interesting discussion
			[12:35] <erixoltan> I liked their collaboration tools.
			[12:35] <jokeefe> what other national issues should we discuss?
			[12:35] <erixoltan> those were my only ones.
			[12:35] <jokeefe> I know another book is in the works.
			[12:36] <erixoltan> Want to write something about patents.
			[12:36] <jokeefe> K`Tetch is organizing it, IIRC.
			[12:36] <[bsod]> always busy
			[12:36] <jokeefe> You should!
			[12:36] <[bsod]> a whole book about patents?
			[12:37] <[bsod]> usually when i want to rant it fits into a nice small blogpost
			[12:37] <jokeefe> probably note
			[12:37] <erixoltan> The "No Safe Harbor" book didn't seem to have an essay on the subject, so there's a new book coming out and I though there should be something on the subject.
			[12:37] <[bsod]> ah
			[12:37] <jokeefe> SplendidSpoon, you might think of turning your talk into an article for the book.
			[12:37] <erixoltan> jokeefe +
			[12:37] <SplendidSpoon> Hmmm
			[12:38] <SplendidSpoon> I guess I could....
			[12:38] <SplendidSpoon> I'm not much of a writer...
			[12:38] <[bsod]> me neither, thats why i do it all the time
			[12:38] <jokeefe> You have until sometime September.
			[12:38] <SplendidSpoon> lol okl
			[12:38] <SplendidSpoon> I will think about it
			[12:38] <jokeefe> all we can ask
			[12:38] <jokeefe> So, next item 3. The Party of Open?
			[12:39] <SplendidSpoon> Not like....the OPEN Act right?
			[12:39] <[bsod]> heh
			[12:39] <jokeefe> yay no
			[12:39] <jokeefe> real open
			[12:39] <jokeefe> David Hardwick suggested that open should be our brand in a sense.
			[12:39] <[bsod]> we should throw an open party
			[12:40] <jokeefe> Open Government - increased government transparency
			[12:40] <jokeefe> Open Culture - limited copyrights & more sharing
			[12:40] <jokeefe> Open Innovation - no patents
			[12:40] <SplendidSpoon> That makes sense
			[12:40] <[bsod]> engstron goes into closed door meetings then comes out and tells everyone what happened
			[12:40] <SplendidSpoon> Doesn't seem to collide with anything on the platform
			[12:40] <SplendidSpoon> lol
			[12:40] <SplendidSpoon> Does that piss everyone off?
			[12:41] <[bsod]> yes
			[12:41] <[bsod]> in a sense, we're gonna quasi emulate what sweden is doing
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> lol
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> Yea I like Sweden
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> Ever since I was 12
			[12:41] <[bsod]> do we ever communicate with pp-international
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> I was like..."why don't we do that?"
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> looking at Sweden
			[12:41] <jokeefe> it leaves open things like privacy and corp power
			[12:41] <jokeefe> open that is.
			[12:41] <[bsod]> i know right, they have road signs that say "fart"
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> We could probably communicate with them
			[12:41] <SplendidSpoon> on pirate irc
			[12:42] <jokeefe> erixoltan can speak of his suggestions, though
			[12:42] <jokeefe> I remember
			[12:42] <[bsod]> they might be a good tool for promoting our legitimacy
			[12:42] <[bsod]> lot of people follow them
			[12:42] <jokeefe> when he suggested we be the anti-monopoly party
			[12:42] <SplendidSpoon> I think we should coordinate with the PPI
			[12:43] <erixoltan> I think anti-monopoly and pro-person. Those are two other angles that complement "open".
			[12:43] <SplendidSpoon> But that also means people have to coordinate with the PPI
			[12:43] <SplendidSpoon> Which is like...work
			[12:43] <[bsod]> we have too many monopolies in massachusetts, maybe if you dont drink wine or smoke tobacco you never noticed
			[12:43] <jokeefe> So a troika/triad/triangle ...
			[12:43] <[bsod]> until you go to walmart

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	[12:27] <erixoltan> THe first is that there are two national meetings, one Tue 9pm and the other Wed 9pm.		[12:27] <erixoltan> THe first is that there are two national meetings, one Tue 9pm and the other Wed 9pm.
	[12:27] <erixoltan> The Tuesday is the open meeting and the Wed is the PNC.		[12:27] <erixoltan> The Tuesday is the open meeting and the Wed is the PNC.
			[12:27] <[bsod]> where are these?
			[12:28] <erixoltan> just a sec
			[12:28] <jokeefe> https://webchat.pirateirc.net/?nick=&channels=uspp
			[12:28] <jokeefe> #pnc for the Wed meeting
			[12:28] <jokeefe> more details at http://us.pirate.is/archives/48
			[12:29] <erixoltan> right.
			[12:29] <[bsod]> cool found it
			[12:29] <[bsod]> heh, K`Tetch_ is everywhere
			[12:29] <jokeefe> yes
			[12:29] <erixoltan> I was planning to attend both meetings this week but my wife has scheduled conflicting events. I will be late on Tue and probably miss the whole thing on Wed.
			[12:29] <SplendidSpoon> I can do it tonight
			[12:30] <[bsod]> i can always attend online things
			[12:30] <SplendidSpoon> Don't know about tomorrow.
			[12:30] <jokeefe> I can do tomorrow
			[12:30] <[bsod]> do you want me to send you the logs from that after/
			[12:30] <SplendidSpoon> ok cool
			[12:30] <jokeefe> sure, bsod, that would be helpful
			[12:30] <[bsod]> k
			[12:30] <[bsod]> who logs this channel, is that you jokeefe
			[12:31] <[bsod]> i noticed our conversations get posted later
			[12:31] <jokeefe> aye, ctrl-c / ctrl-v
			[12:31] <erixoltan> Thanks so much.
			[12:31] <jokeefe> well this meeting
			[12:31] <erixoltan> My observation from the last mtg was that somebody needs to step up and facilitate, since everyone was being too polite to take charge.
			[12:31] <SplendidSpoon> <3 ctrl-C ctrl-V
			[12:31] <[bsod]> that could happen
			[12:31] <[bsod]> ive never attended
			[12:31] <SplendidSpoon> lol
			[12:31] <SplendidSpoon> I can see that happening
			[12:31] <jokeefe> it used to be that faciltation was rotated, but the person making that happen has been busy
			[12:32] <[bsod]> dont let volunteerism suck your life away
			[12:32] <jokeefe> agenda item for start of the mtg should be choosing factiltator for next mtg
			[12:32] <erixoltan> It was a great meeting once it got going.
			[12:33] <jokeefe> I think in the future, erixoltan, when you need someone to sub, bring it up here or contact me or SplendidSpoon
			[12:33] <erixoltan> OK will do. Thanks.
			[12:33] <jokeefe> what is the capsule summary of the meeting?

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	[12:22] <erixoltan> wow		[12:22] <erixoltan> wow
	[12:23] <[bsod]> im not actually always here, but my nick is lol		[12:23] <[bsod]> im not actually always here, but my nick is lol
			[12:23] <[bsod]> i have conversations on irc that span days sometimes
			[12:24] <[bsod]> so, just lemme know when youre ready, send a pm or something
			[12:24] <erixoltan> thanks will do.
			[12:24] <[bsod]> you live in framingham eh
			[12:24] <erixoltan> yep
			[12:24] <[bsod]> we had a pirate politician running for state rep in middlesex
			[12:25] <[bsod]> i used to live there
			[12:25] <erixoltan> I can vote for him then?
			[12:25] <jokeefe> No, lowell
			[12:25] <jokeefe> JP
			[12:25] <[bsod]> isnt that the same county tho?
			[12:25] <jokeefe> yes, but not same district
			[12:25] <[bsod]> ah
			[12:26] <jokeefe> sadly we don't have multimember districts
			[12:26] <jokeefe> Shall we move on to item 2. National Party issues
			[12:26] <jokeefe> ?
			[12:26] <[bsod]> sure, which issues
			[12:26] <erixoltan> I wanted to bring up 2 things about that.
			[12:27] <erixoltan> THe first is that there are two national meetings, one Tue 9pm and the other Wed 9pm.
			[12:27] <erixoltan> The Tuesday is the open meeting and the Wed is the PNC.

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