View source for November 8th, 2012 Informal IRC Discussion

== Agenda ==

Open discussion in preparation for our In-Person meeting on the 11th.

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

== Participants ==

* SplendidSpoon -
* jokeefe - James O'Keefe, Somerville
* Lucia - 
* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
* srevilak - 
* davidd - David van Deijk, from PP Netherlands

Observers:

* passstab - from PA
* sharp_ - 
* zby_home - 

== Summary ==

David recommends:

* Having a counter for funds raised and # of members on front page of the site
* Table at flea markets, farmers markets and other events.
* When leafletting:
** what do you want from these people?
** what can you offer them?
** clearly show the leaflet to the people you engage
** [http://www.deijk.nl/~davidd/ppfl01_a5_flyer_universiteit.pdf DutchPP college leaflet]
* At events it helps to attract parents with kids if someone is dressed up as an animal
* Photograph yourselves doing things at events and put them up on your site
* Video how to do things such as leaflet so others can learn & share it
* Recommends that all new Dutch Pirates watch this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM video on consensus based communities] (in English)

== Meeting Minutes ==

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[12:06] <@jokeefe> Hey, davidd, how are things with the Dutch Pirates?  Any advice?
[12:06] <+davidd> what do you wanna know about it?
[12:06] <+davidd> is advice the american spelling? i usually spell it advise?
[12:07] <@jokeefe> what approaches have you all taken to growing the party, contesting office, etc.
[12:07] <@jokeefe> yes advice is the US spelling, likely
[12:07] <@jokeefe> Advise verb, advice noun :-)
[12:08] <+davidd> ah thx for clearing that up jokeefe
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[12:08] <+davidd> so we have a counter showing the amount of members on our website
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[12:08] <+davidd> and our warchest for the lawsuit
[12:08] <@mildbeard> back in a sec, unloading groceries...
[12:08] <@jokeefe> Also, Lucia / SplendidSpoon / mildbeard, you all still able to make the in-person meeting
[12:08] <+davidd> http://piratenpartij.nl
[12:08] <+davidd> see top right
[12:09] <+davidd> a bar with a target and a number
[12:09] <@SplendidSpoon> was it on Sunday this weekend?
[12:09] <+davidd> that really helped us drive members and money
[12:10] <@Lucia> I was planning on it. You know how things can change quickly here, but no obstacles so far.
[12:10] <@jokeefe> good, Lucia
[12:10] <+davidd> get out on the streets with membership forms
[12:10] <@jokeefe> yes, Sunday this weekend, SplendidSpoon
[12:10] <@jokeefe> people were busy next weekend
[12:11] <+davidd> here in europe we have like trunksales where you can hire stands
[12:11] <+davidd> those are good spots to meet lots of people
[12:12] <+davidd> i know the US is more into garagesales in lawns
[12:12] <@jokeefe> yes
[12:12] <@jokeefe> and farners markets
[12:12] <@jokeefe> my city started a flea market as well
[12:13] <+davidd> so if you can get a stand at a fleamarket, go for it
[12:13] <+davidd> you can get like 30 members easy in a day
[12:14] <+davidd> people like to see faces, not faceless institutions
[12:14] <@Lucia> We don't table often.
[12:14] <@Lucia> Not many opportunities
[12:14] <+davidd> so i really focussed during the campaign on getting pictures with pirates on our website
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> yup
[12:15] <@jokeefe> yes, our site doesn't have enough pictures of people on it.
[12:15] <@mildbeard> Hey I can make it to the meeting.
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> I'll be there too
[12:15] <+davidd> if you have nice pics on your website you transform your image from a faceless institution to a group of young enthausiat idealists
[12:15] <@jokeefe> and tabling is something we need to do more of.
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> Pics of us
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> at events
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> we have them
[12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> we should have like a gallery on the site
[12:16] <+davidd> any action you take offline document it with cameras
[12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> throw up some good ones
[12:16] <@Lucia> Our culture is different. Unless there is an event we can't set up a table.
[12:16] <@jokeefe> usually can on public sidewalks, though
[12:16] <+davidd> if you flyer you can reach like 100 people, if you videotape yourself flyering you can easily multiply that number
[12:16] <@jokeefe> good point
[12:17] <@Lucia> So OK more pictures
[12:17] <+davidd> if you meet in a bar or something, you have a night of fun, and that is good PR
[12:17] <@Lucia> We could take pictures on Sunday.
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[12:18] <@jokeefe> hi sharp_
[12:18] <+sharp_> hello
[12:18] <@jokeefe> good idea Lucia
[12:18] <@mildbeard> It would be nice to have a picture of a group hoisting beer mugs. Might attract people.
[12:18] <@jokeefe> lol
[12:18] <+davidd> and the picture you post with an article DO NOT NEED to match the content of the article
[12:18] <@jokeefe> good point
[12:18] <+davidd> if you put a picture of a random pirate with an article about trade agreements or something
[12:18] <@mildbeard> I live next to a college and am looking into going up there to talk to people. Any suggestions?
[12:19] <+davidd> people will still enjoy the article better
[12:19] <+davidd> ok mildbeard lets brainstorm about that
[12:19] <+davidd> 1. what do you want from these people?
[12:19] <+davidd> 2. what can you offer them?
[12:20] <+davidd> do you have leaflets?
[12:20] <@Lucia> Do you need permission from the school?
[12:20] <+davidd> no not important lucia
[12:20] <@Lucia> Will they let you table?
[12:20] <+davidd> that only changes where you leaflet
[12:20] <@mildbeard> I am not thinking about a table.
[12:20] <+davidd> they cant block you from leafletting outside
[12:20] <@mildbeard> We have leaflets but I want to create a special one for college campuses.
[12:21] <@Lucia> Good to know
[12:21] <+davidd> i can show you the dutch leaflet aimed at collegecampusses
[12:21] <+davidd> let me look up the url
[12:22] <+davidd> http://www.deijk.nl/~davidd/ppfl01_a5_flyer_universiteit.pdf
[12:22] <@jokeefe> thanks
[12:23] <+davidd> http://www.deijk.nl/~davidd/PPNL-A6flyerapril2011.zip
[12:23] <@mildbeard> I think the goal would be to have the students of the college create a student-run pirate organization.
[12:23] <@mildbeard> http://www.framingham.edu/student-involvement-and-leadership-development/clubs-and-organizations/index.html
[12:23] <+davidd> dutch word for leaflets is flyers
[12:24] <@mildbeard> So the front page of the flyer is almost like a poster, and the back page has a list of issues on it.
[12:25] <@jokeefe> yes, that is the ideal, mildbeard.
[12:25] <@Lucia> Soahve some one film u leafleting or flyering?
[12:25] <@jokeefe> so lets start talking with our supporter list.
[12:25] <@Lucia> (So have)
[12:25] <+davidd> if you can, put a picture of pirates on the leaflet/poster
[12:26] <@mildbeard> that shouldn't be a problem.
[12:26] <+davidd> also when leafletting, clearly show the leaflet to the people you engage
[12:26] <@mildbeard> I think it would be a good idea to create a video for our own activists, showing them how to build support at the grass roots level.
[12:27] <@mildbeard> If we're filming ourselves doing it anyway.
[12:27] <@mildbeard> We can reuse the same material for other videos about the pirate party.
[12:27] <+davidd> yes that is good thinking mildbeard
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[12:28] <@mildbeard> If we have a simple process that is repeatable, then we know exactly what to do and how long it takes. That helps when you have a busy life like most of us.
[12:28] <@jokeefe> hi, srevilak
[12:29] <+davidd> and make stuff reusable
[12:29] <+srevilak> jokeefe: howdy.  Apologies for tardiness.  Inappropriately timed conf call
[12:29] <+davidd> dont date it too much
[12:29] <@jokeefe> we are brainstorming ideas for building the PP with davidd who headed the Dutch PP.
[12:29] <+davidd> and if you make it so you can share it with other US states pirateparties
[12:29] <+davidd> everyone benefits
[12:29] <@jokeefe> BTW: srevilak, you planning to be there on Sunday?
[12:30] <+srevilak> jokeefe: yup
[12:30] <@jokeefe> great
[12:30] <+davidd> if a few of you have some experience leafletting, organise a pirate workshop, and tape that too
[12:31] <+davidd> we are the internet party, use it to your advantage to multiply the effect of every action you do
[12:31] <@jokeefe> good point, any good ones you have see out there?
[12:33] <@jokeefe> davidd, noticed that you included subtitles on the DutchPP youtube videos
[12:33] <+davidd> yes one of our members did that
[12:33] <@mildbeard> It occurs to me that there are videos out there created by other third parties or grass roots movements in the US that we could learn from.
[12:33] <@jokeefe> and they are in english are those special closed captioning ones tied to the viewer's language
[12:34] <@jokeefe> yes, mildbeard, I think the GPUS has some
[12:34] <+davidd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM <- this is a video on consensus based communities
[12:35] <@mildbeard> davidd, I love the graphic on the flier at http://www.deijk.nl/~davidd/ppfl01_a5_flyer_universiteit.pdf
[12:35] <+davidd> that i distribute to all pirates
[12:35] <+davidd> its 55 minutes
[12:35] <+davidd> but the talk only takes like 40
[12:36] <+davidd> i suggest you watch that video with full attention
[12:36] <@mildbeard> I have bookmarked it.
[12:36] <@jokeefe> thanks!
[12:37] <+davidd> so talk about it sunday when you meet irl
[12:37] <+davidd> and take many pictures and video
[12:37] <+davidd> you can see afterwarsds what is usefull and what isnt
[12:38] <+davidd> http://www.deijk.nl/~davidd/Davidzegt.gif <- this is me explaining how to leaflet at a dutch workshop
[12:39] <@mildbeard> lol
[12:40] <+davidd> on the left is our topcandidate
[12:40] <+davidd> in the background our secretary
[12:40] <+davidd> i am copresident in this pic
[12:40] <@mildbeard> you are doing a little dance :D...
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[12:40] <+davidd> as you can see we use lots of english
[12:41] <+davidd> my shirt is official dutch piratenpartij shirt for 2012
[12:41] <+davidd> and our candidate is wearing the ppuk shirt
[12:43] <+davidd> also, we sometimes go leafletting with somebody in a fursuit
[12:43] <@mildbeard> a fur suit?
[12:43] <+davidd> great to engage parents with children in a shopping area
[12:43] <+srevilak> reminds me of http://www.fsf.org/news/activists-trick-or-treat-for-free-software-at-windows-8-launch-event-1
[12:44] <@Lucia> Syr folks, I gtg. Thanks for your advice David, See y'all Sunday.
[12:44] <+davidd> yes i think i am done for now
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[12:44] <+davidd> let me know what you people discuss sunday
[12:45] <+davidd> and perhaps i can help brainstorm some more after that
[12:45] <@jokeefe> fursuit, lol
[12:45] <@jokeefe> thanks
[12:45] <@jokeefe> you have one list, right not regional lists?
[12:46] <+davidd> https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/pipermail/
[12:46] <@jokeefe> sorry, I meant candidate lists
[12:47] <+davidd> we have seperate elections for each level
[12:47] <+davidd> municipalities are next march 2014
[12:47] <+davidd> in july 2014 we have EU
[12:47] <@jokeefe> how difficult was it to get people to run?
[12:48] <+davidd> and the regional electoins are in jan 2015
[12:48] <+davidd> until now we have only participated in the national elections
[12:49] <+davidd> the netherlands has a party proportional system
[12:49] <+davidd> so if we get .66% nationally we get 1 seat
[12:49] <@jokeefe> yes, wish we had that here
[12:49] <+davidd> that gary guy would have gotten a seat with his score
[12:49] <@jokeefe> just the lower house has 160 members in Mass.
[12:50] <+davidd> but uhm, you have MIT in your state right?
[12:51] <@jokeefe> yes
[12:51] <+davidd> i'd say noam chomsky is the easiest way to get elected
[12:51] <@jokeefe> lol
[12:51] <+davidd> our international angle would be very appealing to him
[12:52] <+davidd> he probably isnt that aware of the PP in the US
[12:52] <@jokeefe> maybe, i am sure we have the greens to compete with his attentions
[12:53] <+davidd> i think he will give you great adviCe
[12:53] <+davidd> and the greens have less of the international organisation we have
[12:54] <@jokeefe> yes, he would.
[12:54] <+srevilak> anyone going to hear chomsky tonight?
[12:54] <+davidd> i am so jealous right now srevilak
[12:54] <+srevilak> :)
[12:55] <@jokeefe> cannot, have a family event to attend
[12:55] <@jokeefe> hope it goes well
[12:55] <+davidd> but if you could catch a few minutes with chomsky afterwards
[12:55] <+srevilak> It's supposed to be a panel discussion.  If they take questions, maybe I can ask something about pirates
[12:55] <+davidd> make sure you can tell something about the TPAA or something
[12:56] <+davidd> you dont have to rush it
[12:56] <@jokeefe> thanks srevilak
[12:56] <+davidd> i'd say first focus on the meeting sunday
[12:57] <@jokeefe> yes