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Policy & Identity Plans

2013-02-04T16:09:50Z

Mildbeard: Initial Creation

==Policy and Identity Committee, Future Plans==

The Policy and Identity committee plans to focus on two primary areas.
Identity speaks to the branding of the Pirate Party and what is our message.
Policy speaks to having a tightly-integrated set of positions on the critical issues in the minds of voters,
that are strongly connected to our identity and to our core values.

===Identity===

The Pirate Party was founded on the proposition that monopoly intellectual property laws are wrong and outdated.
We want to create an intellectual commons where inventions and creative works can be exchanged, modified and remixed freely and without restriction.
We aren't saying that people shouldn't be paid for their work - in fact we want to ensure that creative and inventive people reap much greater rewards for their contributions.

===Policy===

Here are some areas of critical policy interest to the Massachusetts Pirate Party
* intellectual property monopoly: copyright, patents, trademark
* privacy
* open government
* making democracy more democratic
* education
* marijuana legalization

November 29th, 2012 IRC Meeting

2012-11-29T18:33:52Z

Mildbeard: Inserted chat transcript log.

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Nov 29 12:06:16 * Now talking on #masspirates
Nov 29 12:06:16 * Topic for #masspirates is: welcome to the home of the massachusetts pirate party http://www.masspirates.org/blog/
Nov 29 12:06:16 * Topic for #masspirates set by [bsod]!~bsod@xx.pirate at Thu Nov 1 12:02:54 2012
Nov 29 12:06:16 * [4Q] gives channel operator status to mildbeard
Nov 29 12:06:16 * [4Q] gives voice to mildbeard
Nov 29 12:06:25 * [4Q] sets channel limit to 16
Nov 29 12:06:45 <mildbeard> HI THERE
Nov 29 12:12:23 <SplendidSpoon> hey
Nov 29 12:12:32 <SplendidSpoon> Like I said, Jamie is out
Nov 29 12:13:02 <SplendidSpoon> Where does he usually link the agenda?
Nov 29 12:15:05 <mildbeard> I tried to scroll back to the last meeting but can't find it there.
Nov 29 12:15:27 <mildbeard> We have an in-person meeting on the 9th, we should at least touch on that.
Nov 29 12:15:30 <SplendidSpoon> http://piratepad.net/qiE68YKFQO
Nov 29 12:15:39 <SplendidSpoon> Here's a pad with what he emailed
Nov 29 12:15:42 <mildbeard> And the draft text of a letter that Jamie wrote up.
Nov 29 12:15:49 <mildbeard> k
Nov 29 12:15:57 <feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: All kids like to learn - Ethiopian kids hack OLPCs in 5 months with zero instruction http://t.co/UTzE0aX5 - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/274199833936551936
Nov 29 12:15:57 <SplendidSpoon> Yup, revise letter
Nov 29 12:16:38 <mildbeard> I just corrected 2 typos.
Nov 29 12:16:43 <SplendidSpoon> Cool
Nov 29 12:17:19 <SplendidSpoon> I'm adding some stuff
Nov 29 12:17:28 <mildbeard> I see that!
Nov 29 12:17:51 <SplendidSpoon> lol
Nov 29 12:19:45 <mildbeard> Hey I watched this great video from MIT, and I am going to propose that we have a comprehensive peer to peer policy. I wanted to link you to it.
Nov 29 12:19:46 <mildbeard> http://civic.mit.edu/blog/mstem/peer-to-peer-politics
Nov 29 12:20:41 <mildbeard> The premise of the talk is that there is a third kind of organization now (not govt/business) and we can base our policies on it. No other party is doing this but it's the most natural thing in the world for the Pirate Party.
Nov 29 12:21:26 <SplendidSpoon> Ah interesting
Nov 29 12:22:13 <SplendidSpoon> Do you read this blog http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?
Nov 29 12:22:25 <SplendidSpoon> A lot of interesting ideas here
Nov 29 12:22:43 <mildbeard> I have seen it but don't read it regularly.
Nov 29 12:23:08 <SplendidSpoon> It can be very high-level sometimes
Nov 29 12:23:11 <mildbeard> will have to start!
Nov 29 12:23:27 <SplendidSpoon> Yea I think it's a good Pirate-type blog, we should make a list on the website sometime
Nov 29 12:23:41 <SplendidSpoon> falkvinge, torrentfreak, etc
Nov 29 12:24:30 <mildbeard> Zacqary of NY outed me on falkvinge :).
Nov 29 12:24:43 <mildbeard> He posted my payright essay and a lot of people started ripping it to shreds.
Nov 29 12:24:44 <SplendidSpoon> oh yea I saw that
Nov 29 12:25:01 <mildbeard> Naturally they hadn't read the whole thing and most of their objections were answered in the text...
Nov 29 12:25:11 <SplendidSpoon> Words on the internet.
Nov 29 12:25:36 <mildbeard> yeah
Nov 29 12:25:59 <mildbeard> Are you coming on 12/9?
Nov 29 12:26:05 <SplendidSpoon> I'm planning on it
Nov 29 12:26:17 <mildbeard> Great. What kinds of snack foods do you like?
Nov 29 12:26:34 * srevilak (~srevilak@209.104.kzu.w) has joined #masspirates
Nov 29 12:26:34 * [4Q] gives channel operator status to srevilak
Nov 29 12:26:34 * [4Q] gives voice to srevilak
Nov 29 12:26:37 <SplendidSpoon> Salty
Nov 29 12:26:40 <SplendidSpoon> lol
Nov 29 12:26:46 * [4Q] sets channel limit to 17
Nov 29 12:26:49 <SplendidSpoon> I like most foods
Nov 29 12:26:49 <mildbeard> awesome.
Nov 29 12:26:53 <mildbeard> Hi srevilak!
Nov 29 12:26:58 <srevilak> howdy
Nov 29 12:27:17 <srevilak> sorry to be late. I joined #masspirate instead of #masspirates :(
Nov 29 12:27:21 <mildbeard> http://piratepad.net/qiE68YKFQO
Nov 29 12:27:29 * jokeefe (~jokeefe@087-4-29-9.c6-3.smr-ubr4.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #masspirates
Nov 29 12:27:29 * [4Q] gives channel operator status to jokeefe
Nov 29 12:27:29 * [4Q] gives voice to jokeefe
Nov 29 12:27:34 <mildbeard> We're talking about the draft text of the letter Jamie sent out, and editing it.
Nov 29 12:27:36 <mildbeard> Hi jokeefe
Nov 29 12:27:37 <mildbeard> http://piratepad.net/qiE68YKFQO
Nov 29 12:27:38 <jokeefe> hi all
Nov 29 12:27:42 * [4Q] sets channel limit to 18
Nov 29 12:27:44 <jokeefe> goodie
Nov 29 12:30:38 <mildbeard> This piratepad has multi-spoon technology :P
Nov 29 12:30:49 <SplendidSpoon> lol.
Nov 29 12:30:55 <jokeefe> ;-)
Nov 29 12:30:58 <SplendidSpoon> Too many tabs
Nov 29 12:31:12 <SplendidSpoon> Syria is down
Nov 29 12:31:15 <mildbeard> It's good to show edits in a different color.
Nov 29 12:31:21 <mildbeard> the country?
Nov 29 12:31:24 <SplendidSpoon> Yes
Nov 29 12:31:39 <SplendidSpoon> They pulled the plug and what little we hear it sounds like a massacre
Nov 29 12:31:45 <mildbeard> aah
Nov 29 12:31:57 <SplendidSpoon> So there's a lot going on right now
Nov 29 12:32:10 <SplendidSpoon> Telecomix has been nuked for months, under massive DDoS
Nov 29 12:32:19 <SplendidSpoon> So we barely have the resources to help like before
Nov 29 12:32:48 <SplendidSpoon> Well, hopefully Assad gets ousted and a Syrian Pirate Party forms
Nov 29 12:33:44 <mildbeard> Take a look at this, it's a graph of network activity from Syria.
Nov 29 12:33:45 <mildbeard> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64467000/jpg/_64467960_64467959.jpg
Nov 29 12:33:51 <SplendidSpoon> Looks like Egypt
Nov 29 12:34:09 <SplendidSpoon> 2 years ago
Nov 29 12:34:59 <SplendidSpoon> January 27 2011
Nov 29 12:35:30 <jokeefe> yikes
Nov 29 12:35:37 <jokeefe> got an article for that image?
Nov 29 12:35:52 <SplendidSpoon> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/11/29/syria_blackout_internet_shutdown_a_bad_sign_for_activists_assad_regime.html
Nov 29 12:35:57 <SplendidSpoon> Heres on
Nov 29 12:38:10 <srevilak> mildbeard: that certainly is a cliff
Nov 29 12:38:27 <mildbeard> yup
Nov 29 12:39:20 <srevilak> I like the outreach letter a lot
Nov 29 12:39:34 <SplendidSpoon> Landlines now back in scattered areas across #Syria | #Telecomix Internet +33172890150 +46708671911 login/pass: toto/toto
Nov 29 12:46:07 <mildbeard> The telecomix "join us" link is too busy to use :).
Nov 29 12:46:40 <SplendidSpoon> oh its under ddos
Nov 29 12:46:49 <SplendidSpoon> telecomix irc has been down for months
Nov 29 12:46:54 <mildbeard> aah
Nov 29 12:47:00 <SplendidSpoon> sucks, but some people meet in other secret spots to do ops
Nov 29 12:47:36 <mildbeard> do they have a p2p network?
Nov 29 12:47:58 <feedbot> [Twitter] masspirates: Not a good sign. Syria's Internet Just Went Entirely Dark http://t.co/MR5NNcmq via @splendidspoon who said that land lines might be up a bit - http://twitter.com/masspirates/statuses/274206622371442688
Nov 29 12:48:49 <SplendidSpoon> Not sure
Nov 29 12:53:32 <SplendidSpoon> OK guys I have a lot of work to do
Nov 29 12:53:36 <SplendidSpoon> Laters
Nov 29 12:53:45 * SplendidSpoon has quit (Quit: All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain)
Nov 29 12:57:44 <mildbeard> Jamie, are we also going to include a SASE with a checklist for how they could help us?
Nov 29 12:59:07 <jokeefe> of course
Nov 29 12:59:32 <jokeefe> I have a volunteer/donation form I can send out for review as well.
Nov 29 12:59:43 <mildbeard> Maybe a project for next week's mtg.
Nov 29 13:00:11 <jokeefe> yes
Nov 29 13:00:37 <jokeefe> Made some more changes to the letter
Nov 29 13:00:59 <mildbeard> I like the letter. We can tweak or make additional wording changes, but I think we have a great document and it's going to get responses.
Nov 29 13:01:15 <jokeefe> I hope so.
Nov 29 13:01:25 <jokeefe> Gotta get the list tonight, and merge them.
Nov 29 13:01:32 <mildbeard> Did you get the list of registered voters?
Nov 29 13:02:06 <mildbeard> I had a great interview last night with those folks from Hawaii.
Nov 29 13:02:36 <mildbeard> It sounds like Debora is going to try to help out with starting a Hawaii Pirate Party (HIPP?)
Nov 29 13:03:14 <jokeefe> cool, glad to hear it went well
Nov 29 13:04:41 <mildbeard> The PNC elected a FIrst Officer (Caleb Langeslag) and a Quartermaster (David Gorsky)
Nov 29 13:04:51 <mildbeard> Both running unopposed.
Nov 29 13:05:00 <jokeefe> where are they from?
Nov 29 13:05:27 <mildbeard> David is from NY and is Lindsay's fiancee. I forget which state Caleb is from but he's the IT Committee Chair.
Nov 29 13:05:35 <mildbeard> The USPP has a new test website and they are asking for comments and assistance with it.
Nov 29 13:05:53 <mildbeard> http://testing.uspirates.org
Nov 29 13:06:00 <jokeefe> thanks for the link
Nov 29 13:06:03 <mildbeard> It's still under development.
Nov 29 13:07:52 <mildbeard> That's all for USPP stuff.
Nov 29 13:09:55 <jokeefe> thanks
Nov 29 13:10:11 <jokeefe> trying to find the quick 1/3 page sign up sheet
Nov 29 13:10:50 * sharp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
Nov 29 13:10:58 <jokeefe> found it
Nov 29 13:13:48 <jokeefe> https://dl.dropbox.com/s/wh0hi9vmmrimlng/VolunteerContributionForm.ods?dl=1
Nov 29 13:14:43 <mildbeard> If we're asking to text them, I'd add a separate field for cell phone.
Nov 29 13:15:23 <jokeefe> considering our supporters, many only have mobile phones
Nov 29 13:15:31 <jokeefe> but point taken
Nov 29 13:15:36 <jokeefe> space was limited
Nov 29 13:15:47 <mildbeard> I would add running for office to the list of things they can do.
Nov 29 13:15:52 <jokeefe> agreed
Nov 29 13:15:59 <mildbeard> And getting signatures.
Nov 29 13:16:19 <mildbeard> We should be able to expand this if it's a SASE. We probably don't want to limit it to a postcard since there's private info on there.
Nov 29 13:16:33 <jokeefe> how about "helping or being a candidate"
Nov 29 13:16:49 <jokeefe> agreed or if they give $
Nov 29 13:17:12 <jokeefe> Have a stockpile of #10 & #9 evelopes
Nov 29 13:17:18 <jokeefe> envelopes
Nov 29 13:17:30 <mildbeard> Can I tweak that copy and email you an update suggestion?
Nov 29 13:17:40 <jokeefe> please do
Nov 29 13:17:42 <mildbeard> thanks
Nov 29 13:17:59 <jokeefe> would you email the whole irc discussion or put it on the wiki page?
Nov 29 13:18:17 <mildbeard> sure
Nov 29 13:18:41 <jokeefe> thanks
Nov 29 13:19:06 <jokeefe> looks like we covered everything for now.
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Agendas & Meeting Minutes

2012-11-29T18:25:34Z

Mildbeard:

== 2012 ==

* [[December 9th, 2012 In-Person Meeting]]
* [[November 29th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[November 22nd, 2012 Informal IRC Meeting]]
* [[November 11th, 2012 In-Person Meeting]]
* [[November 8th, 2012 Informal IRC Discussion]]
* [[November 1st, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 25th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 18th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 11th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 4th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 20th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 13th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 6th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 30th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 23rd, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 16th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 9th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 2nd, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 26th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 19th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 12th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 5th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[June 28th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[June 21st, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[June 12th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[June 5th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[May 29th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[May 22nd, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[May 15th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[May 8th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[May 1st, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[April 24th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[April 17th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[April 10th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[April 3rd, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[March 27th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[March 20th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[March 13th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[March 6th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[February 28th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[February 21st, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[February 14th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[February 7th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[February 5th, 2012 In-Person Meeting]]
* [[January 31st, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[January 24th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[January 17th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[January 9th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]
* [[January 5th, 2012 IRC Meeting]]

== 2011 ==

* [[December 29th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[December 19th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[December 12th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[November 27th, 2011 In-Person Meeting]]
* [[November 21st, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[November 14th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[November 7th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 31st, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 24th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 17th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 10th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 3rd, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[October 2nd, 2011 In-Person Meeting]]
* [[September 26th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 19th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 12th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[September 5th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 29th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 21st, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 15th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 8th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[August 1st, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 25th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]
* [[July 18th, 2011 IRC Meeting]]

August 23rd, 2012 IRC Meeting

2012-08-23T17:16:58Z

Mildbeard: Including all minutes of the actual meeting.

== Agenda ==

1. Freedom Rally.

2. Status of Liquid Feedback server

3. Status of VPN testing

4. Upcoming Events

5. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

6. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

7. Anything else folks want to bring up

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

== Attending ==

[Draft]

* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* mandeville - Alex, Belmont

Observers:

* [bsod]
* brandon
* cmal
* passstab
* ageis

== Summary ==

1. Freedom Rally

* Lauren got us table 17.
* map of event - http://masscann.org/images/stories/MAPS/carty-goods-vendor-map1.gif
* event info - http://masscann.org/rally
* do we need a special flier for this event?
* who will man the table?

2. Adbusters

* general head-scratching combined with approval.
* desire to work together on future promotions.

3. Status of Liquid Feedback server

* are we ready to move beyond alpha testing?

4. Status of VPN testing

* Erik has successfully signed up.
* Waiting for feedback from them about the info they collected.
* sign up page - https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/mass-pirates

5. Upcoming Events
* nothing else

6. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

7. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

* California objected to two provisions in the constitution.
* Core Value 6 - wording was changed to accommodate their objections.
** Old Wording: We are a post-ideological meritocracy. Policy and decision-making must be based on evidence and scientific reasoning. The approach that works best, or the person who does the best job, must be chosen over the alternatives. Where possible, we avoid making decisions or selecting leaders based on tradition, popularity, authority or ideology.
** Proposed Revision: We are a post-ideological values-based meritocracy. We place all options on the table. We choose a specific approach because the available evidence shows that it is the best way to promote our values. We do not make decisions based merely on tradition, popularity, authority or political expediency.
* Another core value was proposed by California and the PNC came up with the following proposed wording.
** Proposed addition: We stand for a government that promotes social institutions necessary for the empowerment, health, and well-being of all people.

8. Anything else folks want to bring up

* Payright - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u6wBrAFswXztqLvmaHta41RowN5yB8ZXkBDvlev38RM/edit
* Erik will be proposing this as an official policy and would like to hear any objections that people have now rather than later.

== Meeting Minutes ==

<nowiki>
[12:03] <@mildbeard> good afternoon
[12:03] <@SplendidSpoon> Hey
[12:03] <+mandeville> Hi there
[12:03] <@SplendidSpoon> Jamie still on vacation?
[12:06] <@mildbeard> No idea, I had assumed he'd be back but I really don't know.
[12:06] <@SplendidSpoon> OK, Don't know who's supposed to "run" the meeting then
[12:08] <@mildbeard> Well SplendidSpoon, aren't you our First Officer? Are you willing to act on Jamie's behalf?
[12:09] <@SplendidSpoon> I am, but Erixoltan outranks me
[12:09] <@SplendidSpoon> but if he's not here I guess I can do it
[12:09] <@mildbeard> gee that's me :)
[12:09] <@mildbeard> changed my handle
[12:09] <@SplendidSpoon> omg rly?
[12:10] <@SplendidSpoon> wow
[12:10] <@mildbeard> technically I think you outrank me though.
[12:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Nah I don't think so
[12:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Do we even have an agenda?
[12:10] <@SplendidSpoon> Is anyone else even here lol?
[12:11] <@mildbeard> I'll act as scribe and create an agenda / minutes on the wiki.
[12:11] <@SplendidSpoon> ok
[12:11] <@SplendidSpoon> Intros first
[12:11] <@SplendidSpoon> Lauren - Cambridge/Boxboro
[12:11] <+mandeville> Alex - Belmont
[12:12] <@mildbeard> Erik - Framingham
[12:12] <@SplendidSpoon> ok
[12:13] <@SplendidSpoon> So first thing I guess we should talk about Freedom Rally
[12:13] <@SplendidSpoon> I talked to organizers and got us a table
[12:13] <@SplendidSpoon> and I received the permit in the mail
[12:13] <@mildbeard> awesome
[12:14] <@mildbeard> btw here is an agenda / minutes
[12:14] <@SplendidSpoon> http://masscann.org/images/stories/MAPS/carty-goods-vendor-map1.gif
[12:14] <@mildbeard> http://www.masspirates.org/wiki/index.php?title=August_23rd,_2012_IRC_Meeting
[12:14] <@SplendidSpoon> cool
[12:14] <@SplendidSpoon> If you look at this map I got us table 17
[12:14] <@mildbeard> ooh
[12:14] <@SplendidSpoon> It's a flat area he said
[12:15] <@mildbeard> hey it's a corner? right in the middle?
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> Looks like it
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> We are next to a bongmonger
[12:15] <@mildbeard> not a bad location.
[12:15] <@mildbeard> lmao
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> He said it was highly trafficked but also not too loud so people can hear us when we explain
[12:15] <@SplendidSpoon> some tables are near music so it's loud
[12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> He almost suggested us going next to the Socialists but I vetoed that
[12:16] <@SplendidSpoon> I'd rather spread out away from other Political Parties
[12:17] <@SplendidSpoon> At some point we should figure out who will man the table when, I may also be manning a Bradley Manning support network table that day at some point too.
[12:17] <@SplendidSpoon> Manning a Manning table teehee
[12:17] <@mildbeard> I will definitely be there - what are the event hours?
[12:18] <@SplendidSpoon> noon - 6
[12:18] <@SplendidSpoon> http://masscann.org/rally
[12:18] <@SplendidSpoon> wow they spelled activism wrong on this page
[12:18] <@mildbeard> cool
[12:18] * SplendidSpoon facepalms
[12:18] <@mildbeard> short term memory loss no doubt...
[12:19] <@SplendidSpoon> Awww Barney Franks gonna be there
[12:19] <@SplendidSpoon> Do you think we should have special info fliers for this particular rally or are our normal ones good enough?
[12:20] <@mildbeard> it would be nice to have something special emphasizing our pro-legalization position, but I assume the standard one will be OK if nobody created a special one in time.
[12:21] <@SplendidSpoon> We have a little less then a month
[12:22] <@SplendidSpoon> Maybe we'll see if someone wants to make one next week
[12:22] <@mildbeard> k
[12:22] <@SplendidSpoon> OK, another thing I wanted to discuss
[12:22] <@SplendidSpoon> I got this months issue of Adbusters
[12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> and to my surprise....they had a full 2 page spread talking about how the 2 parties suck and #PiratePartyUSA
[12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> the url in the mag just linked to Adbusters regular websigte
[12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> and I have no idea what their intentions are
[12:23] <@mildbeard> There's been a lot of discussion about that on the SAB list.
[12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:23] <@SplendidSpoon> Has anyone figured anything out yet?
[12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> I mean I think it's cool, and if Adbusters wants to promote us by all means they should
[12:24] <@mildbeard> I think their intentions are assumed to be good, and any publicity is good publicity in my opinion.
[12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> I'd rather they actually work with us to create an organized campaign though
[12:24] <@SplendidSpoon> It'd be more beneficial
[12:25] <@mildbeard> yes
[12:25] <@mildbeard> it would help if we were more organized.
[12:25] <@SplendidSpoon> but it's also Adbusters, they are good at getting numbers of people to "show up" to something they draw attention to but they don't really do the organizing part well
[12:25] * SplendidSpoon coughs *Occupy*
[12:25] * mildbeard laughs out loud.
[12:26] <+mandeville> I don't know why that example would spring to mind...
[12:27] <@mildbeard> I seem to remember Travis was going to contact them to see if we could coordinate better in the future.
[12:28] <@mildbeard> So there are a few more agenda items.
[12:28] <+mandeville> gtg
[12:28] == mandeville [webchat@204.9.zok.qn] has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[12:28] <@mildbeard> Liquid Feedback, VPN testing, Upcoming events, fundraising, new treasurer, national party news and any other business.
[12:29] <@mildbeard> On liquid feedback I am hoping we can declare it a success and move out of alpha testing.
[12:30] <@mildbeard> On the VPN I have signed up successfully for masspirates VPN.
[12:30] <@mildbeard> If anyone else wants to try it, then it's pretty inexpensive and it is a good VPN system. And half of the cost goes to MAPP.
[12:30] <@SplendidSpoon> Cool
[12:30] <@SplendidSpoon> What's the Bandwidth restrictions?
[12:30] <@mildbeard> There isn't one.
[12:31] <@SplendidSpoon> Where is it located
[12:31] <@mildbeard> it's private-internet-access and they have servers throughout the US, UK and Europe. You can choose which of a dozen servers to connect to.
[12:31] <@SplendidSpoon> Like, lets say I need an out of country box to stream all teh NFL games because I don't have DirectTV and can't do it from the US
[12:31] <@SplendidSpoon> due to stupid copyright limitations
[12:32] <@mildbeard> Right, you can connect to a server in Romania, England, Canada, Switzerland or Netherlands.
[12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> but NFL allows people in Europe to stream games for a fee
[12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> ah interesting
[12:32] <@SplendidSpoon> Sucks you can't watch all the games in America without signing up for DirectTV but you can in Europe
[12:32] <@mildbeard> I haven't tried that but it supposedly works. I think it's the same thing that the Canadian Pirate Party offers their subscribers? But I could be mistaken on that.
[12:33] <@mildbeard> In America you can watch them for a price, but only after the games are over.
[12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> right
[12:33] <@mildbeard> And you have to pay.
[12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> and it's not live
[12:33] <@mildbeard> I take it you're an NFL fan?
[12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> Yes but this is more a question for a coworker
[12:33] <@SplendidSpoon> He's a Steelers fan
[12:34] <@mildbeard> Then tell him there's absolutely no way to watch Steelers games. Any other team it would be fine ......
[12:34] <@SplendidSpoon> and is started a fantasy football company and was asking me if it'd be possible to do something like that so he could watch all games live
[12:34] <@SplendidSpoon> lol
[12:34] <@SplendidSpoon> and now I'm considering it too because I kind of just like watching football all day on Sundays
[12:35] <@SplendidSpoon> But I love my Patriots so at least I can watch them easily
[12:35] <@mildbeard> It would be interesting to find out if it works.
[12:35] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:35] <@SplendidSpoon> It'd be a good test
[12:35] <@SplendidSpoon> anyway sorry to get off-topic
[12:35] <@mildbeard> Anyway, I need to hear back from the VPN company to see if they collected all the information we need to get donations from a campaign finance point of view.
[12:36] <@mildbeard> They did ask me for that info but I need them to verify that we can see it.
[12:36] <@mildbeard> So once that's done we can offer this to our members.
[12:36] <@mildbeard> In the meantime I think we can offer it to anyone like you, for whom we definitely have their contact info.
[12:36] <@SplendidSpoon> I see
[12:37] <@mildbeard> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/mass-pirates
[12:37] <@mildbeard> anyway, that's the sign up page.
[12:38] <@mildbeard> I don't think we have anything else on upcoming events?
[12:38] <@mildbeard> Or fundraising, or a new treasurer?
[12:38] <@SplendidSpoon> Not that I know of
[12:39] <@mildbeard> I'm not available to volunteer for treasurer. way too swamped.
[12:39] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea
[12:39] <@mildbeard> So that brings us to national party news.
[12:39] <@mildbeard> The California Pirate Party has objected to two major things in the US Pirate Party constitution. They consider these issues to be obstacles to ratifying the constitution.
[12:40] <@SplendidSpoon> oh
[12:41] <@mildbeard> At the PNC meeting we basically agreed on a proposed new core value to add to the constitution. It covers the fact that everyone is equal and that everyone deserves some basic level of having a good life. It's very vague but it essentially means that we support health care, education, universal internet access and so on.
[12:41] <@SplendidSpoon> Sounds reasonable
[12:42] <@mildbeard> The second one - they objected to a core value that says we are a meritocracy. It turns out they felt it would prevent a pirate from supporting affirmative action.
[12:42] <@mildbeard> That certainly wasn't the intent of the measure.
[12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> oh
[12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> Change the wording?
[12:42] <@mildbeard> So I sent out a proposed revision of the text on the SAB list, and we could vote on it next time.
[12:42] <@SplendidSpoon> Meritocracy maybe a loaded term?
[12:42] <@mildbeard> Well, here's what I proposed instead of what we had before.
[12:43] <@SplendidSpoon> http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Elites-America-after-Meritocracy/dp/0307720454
[12:43] <@mildbeard> This is what we had.
[12:43] <@mildbeard> We are a post-ideological meritocracy. Policy and decision-making must be based on evidence and scientific reasoning. The approach that works best, or the person who does the best job, must be chosen over the alternatives. Where possible, we avoid making decisions or selecting leaders based on tradition, popularity, authority or ideology.
[12:43] <@SplendidSpoon> oh yea I saw that I liked it
[12:43] <@SplendidSpoon> I like the idea of "Data-Driven policymaking"
[12:44] <@mildbeard> Here is what I proposed to change it to.
[12:44] <@mildbeard> We are a post-ideological values-based meritocracy. We place all options on the table. We choose a specific approach because the available evidence shows that it is the best way to promote our values. We do not make decisions based merely on tradition, popularity, authority or political expediency.
[12:44] <@SplendidSpoon> oh yea that IS better I guess
[12:45] <@SplendidSpoon> Why didn't California come up with the change though?
[12:45] <@mildbeard> California proposed to strike the item entirely. I objected to that, and so did others.
[12:45] <@SplendidSpoon> ok
[12:46] <@mildbeard> I think they misunderstood it - but I think the proposed revision is better as a result.
[12:46] <@SplendidSpoon> Yea hope they like it
[12:47] <@mildbeard> me too, because they're our biggest state and we kinda need them to come on board!
[12:48] <@mildbeard> It's ironic that a few months ago we were battling over whether the pirate party can stand for anything beyond the three planks, and here we have our largest member state objecting that we don't go far enough beyond those three planks. So I think we've come a long way.
[12:48] <@SplendidSpoon> Good
[12:48] <@mildbeard> So I have one last thing and then it's sandwich time.
[12:48] <@SplendidSpoon> ok
[12:48] <@mildbeard> I wrote a proposed policy on copyright reform called Payright - did you ever take a look at it?
[12:49] <@SplendidSpoon> Awhile ago I believe
[12:49] <@mildbeard> OK here's the updated version which contains many changes.
[12:49] <@mildbeard> Took out the reference to science, and clarified that the idea of "meritocracy" is "values-based." So if we have a core value of equality, then the idea is to choose the best idea to promote that value. Therefore there's no reason why you couldn't support affirmative action.
[12:49] <@mildbeard> Whoops.
[12:49] <@[4Q]> pfft, only human
[12:49] <@mildbeard> take two
[12:49] <@SplendidSpoon> lol
[12:49] <@mildbeard> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#sent/139541219444340f
[12:50] <@mildbeard> I will be proposing this as an official policy soon, and if anyone has objections that would cause them to oppose it, then I'd love to hear what they are now rather than later.
[12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> I'm sorry I can't open this
[12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> ?
[12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> "The conversation that you requested no longer exists"
[12:51] <@mildbeard> darn it
[12:51] <@mildbeard> try this
[12:51] <@mildbeard> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u6wBrAFswXztqLvmaHta41RowN5yB8ZXkBDvlev38RM/edit
[12:51] <@SplendidSpoon> ok sweet
[12:52] <@SplendidSpoon> Are you going to show this to any more people before publishing?
[12:52] <@SplendidSpoon> Maybe international Pirates?
[12:52] <@mildbeard> I will submit it for NSH2 and will open it up to anyone who wants to comment before then.
[12:52] <@mildbeard> Including international pirates.
[12:52] <@SplendidSpoon> ah cool
[12:53] <@mildbeard> If you can think of anyone who should comment, feel free to forward them the link.
[12:53] <@mildbeard> I've stopped getting feedback and would love to hear more.
[12:53] <@SplendidSpoon> I mean it looks great to me, really glad to have something like this being made
[12:54] <@mildbeard> The most recent addition is that it has to contain a bulletproof privacy protocol, and it will run on an encrypted peer-to-peer nework. There's also an "objections" section to cover objections I've heard.
[12:54] <@mildbeard> OK thanks, that's good to hear!
[12:55] <@mildbeard> Well, I guess that's all I had myself.
[12:55] <@SplendidSpoon> This is the kind of shit that separates the people who actually change things versus the people who just complain
[12:56] <@mildbeard> Yeah, and it's where you find out who the complainers are, when they read your proposal :D.
[12:56] <@SplendidSpoon> lol
[12:57] <@mildbeard> I got a ridiculous number of objections, but it's much better as a result.
[12:58] <@SplendidSpoon> That's how it goes
[12:58] <@mildbeard> OK - ready to adjourn?
[12:58] <@SplendidSpoon> yep
[12:58] <@mildbeard> I'll paste in the transcript as part of the minutes.
[12:59] <@SplendidSpoon> cool
[12:59] <@mildbeard> ttyl
[12:59] <@SplendidSpoon> peace
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August 23rd, 2012 IRC Meeting

2012-08-23T16:21:32Z

Mildbeard:

August 23rd, 2012 IRC Meeting

2012-08-23T16:16:26Z

Mildbeard:

== Agenda ==

1. Freedom Rally.

Lauren got us table 17.
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1. Status of Liquid Feedback server

2. Status of VPN testing

3. Upcoming Events

4. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

6. Anything else folks want to bring up

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

== Attending ==

[Draft]

* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* mandeville - Alex, Belmont

Observers:

* [bsod]
* brandon
* cmal
* passstab
* ageis

== Summary ==

1. Freedom Rally

2. Status of Liquid Feedback server

3. Status of VPN testing

4. Upcoming Events

5. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

6. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

7. Anything else folks want to bring up

== Meeting Minutes ==

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August 23rd, 2012 IRC Meeting

2012-08-23T16:13:41Z

Mildbeard: Created page with "== Agenda == 1. Status of Liquid Feedback server 2. Status of VPN testing 3. Upcoming Events 4. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer 5. National Party News & Pir..."

== Agenda ==

1. Status of Liquid Feedback server

2. Status of VPN testing

3. Upcoming Events

4. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

5. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

6. Anything else folks want to bring up

== Quick Notes / Summaries Re Proposed Bills to be Discussed: ==

== Attending ==

[Draft]

* mildbeard - Erik Zoltan, Framingham
* SplendidSpoon - Lauren Pespisa, Boxboro/Cambridge
* mandeville - Alex, Belmont

Observers:

* [bsod]
* brandon
* cmal
* passstab
* ageis

== Summary ==

1. Freedom Rally

2. Status of Liquid Feedback server

3. Status of VPN testing

4. Upcoming Events

5. Fundraising & Suggestions for new Treasurer

6. National Party News & Pirate Picnic

7. Anything else folks want to bring up

== Meeting Minutes ==

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